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When everyone on the planet is blogging who will be around to read them?

I've always wondered how this chapter helps business people... Yes, it's context that blogging is about moe than English-speaking blogs, and that companies in non-English speaking countries are blogging... But beyond that I couldn't figure it out.

Also, some of these paragraphs are crazy long :o

It's a great chapter for what you've set out to do, I'm just not sure if this late in the book it's the kind of chapter you need.

Guys,

in the section on Spanish blogs, I think the numbers quoted are way lower than the reality. I see referrers to several Spanish blogs on my (relatively) low trafficked blog and I find the elmundo.es blogs to be very good (http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/blogs.html) from a news and promoting debate p.o.v. if not strictly business blogs, per se.

Shel,
One thing you're certainly right about: Even mainstream outfits like BW do not fact check for blog posts the way we do for the magazine. This is especially true of items that are not likely to hurt anyone's reputation or cost investors money if they're wrong. If we're wrong, we correct as quickly as possible, which is what I attempted to do with the post you mention. You say that I didn't publicly apologize. Maybe I should have, but Rodrigo (who responded from the blog) seemed more amused than bothered by the mistake. I don't think he sensed any criticism in the post, and from my point of view, there was none. Afterwards, we had a very friendly back-and-forth on the subject in French on Loic's blog. And I think you could interpret my contrite comment as an apology of sorts.

If you're considering using this segment in your upcoming book, I would be more than happy to discuss it with you. Steve Baker

The link to Loic's post, and a cut-and-paste of the comments from Rodrigo, me and Loic:

http://www.loiclemeur.com/france/2005/05/business_week_a.html

En effet, j'ai détexté le lien sur moi très rapidement avec une watchlist sur technorati avec mon adresse de blog. J'ai laissé un commentaire dans la foulée au journaliste sur son post, et il a rectifié le tir.
Ce qui est drôle, c'est que ce post a été repris un peu partout, y compris en Chine!
Rédigé par: Rodrigo A. SEPULVEDA SCHULZ | mai 9, 2005 02:17 AM
Vous dites que "deux journalistes expérimentés de Business Week l'ont pris pour un blog rédigé par Nokia." Je dois vous avouer qu'il ne s'agissait que d'un seul journaliste, moi meme. Heather n'y etait pour rien--malheureusement...
Rédigé par: Stephen Baker | mai 10, 2005 12:41 AM
Cher Stephen, pardon pour cette erreur que j'ai repiqué chez Corporateblogging. Ravi de voir que vous parlez si bien le français et ne méprennez pas ma note (voir la même en anglais) mon propos n'est pas de me moquer de vous mais de saluer votre réaction de correction puis d'excuse. Beaucoup de journalistes n'auraient pas la même, du haut de leur tour vitrée et leur statut de journaliste, ce serait trop difficile de reconnaître un erreur. Au plaisir de vous lire.

Steve, Thank you for your comments. By virtue of the fact that you just read a sample chapter should make clear that we do indeed intend to use this in our book.I was writing from what appeared in your posted blog and did not try to get anyone interpretation of conversations you had with the other players. Did I write anything that is factually untrue? If so, I will gladly apologize and retract them. If not, I plan to run with it the way I wrote it.

Are you sure the site belongs to Froissart? I thought it was Sepulveda's. Have you talked to either of them? I'm perplexed as to why you would want to publish a section critical of me in a book without making any attempt to discuss it with me.

I'll check my fact on whose site it is. My reluctance to speak with you comes from the fact that I found your previous comment as disappointing as I found your blog post. You basically said that when you blog you answer to a lower standard than when you write for the magazine. You then went on to post a blog without speaking to the company or the individual involved. You got the name of the product wrong. You disparaged people involved in terms of their integrity. Then you got snitty instead of doing a straight-forward retraction. Then you post a comment here whining that I didn't call you before posting what I posted. I think I want all my conversations with you--out here--out in the open where others can see it. BTW, Steve, since you say you answer to a lower standard of accuracy in the blogosphere, does BusinessWeek not worry that you are damaging their credibility when you blog?

Who can read such long entries? Not me, for sure.

Score one for Steve Baker. The Nokia test blog discussed in this chapter belongs to Rodrigo Sepúlveda Schulz
http://rodrigo.typepad.com/nokia7710. My apologies for getting it wrong, and Steve, thanks for your recent link. We should all check our facts more closely be it blogs, books or BusinessWeek.

That does it.

Shel just stole my Caustic Crown right off my head, revealing no halo underneath.

And everybody thought I, Vaspers the Grate, was harsh and blunt and rash to engage in slopbucketing with special effects: blogocombat.

I don't know who is right or in the wrong in this matter, but golly, it makes juicy blogocombat history, beyond even my blogthenticity episode.

I do carefully fact check what is in my blog and I seek to comply with Consumer Reports WebWatch guidelines for credible online information practices.

Doesn't everybody?

And the Berkeley UofC Library rules for web credibility.

And the Stanford Persuasive Tech Lab standards formulated by Prof. BJ Fogg.

Doesn't everybody, every blogger?

I think the blogosphere is basically self-corrective, far more so than any MSM publication or broadcast.

Beg to differ, Steve. That crown is super-glued to your head. I have shown an ascerbic side in comments once since we started the project. What your tally? Glad to see you in a neutral position--there's a healthy perspective from the objective perspective, don't you think?

I guess I've just seen more of the softer, gentler, sweeter side of the Shel.

I like both Blogspotting and the Red Couch. Whatever this has to do with anything.

Well, it's so wonderful and even nice to sit back and watch other bloggers clobber each other.

Refreshing.

Glad I'm not the only one having good natured, hopefully gentlemanly "discussions".

:^\

Steve, It's nice to see you in such nice, laid-back form.

Shhhhh....you're going to ruin my reputation talking like that.

I'll have to revert to my wimped out aka: Whispers the Grape.

P.S.

Nice seeing my favorite philosopy, Buddhism, second only to Deconstruction, being cited, with the quote from a Dalai Lama.

Blogs and philosophy are such a perfect match, seeing as how philosophers like to talk about things they know little about.

Why so few phlogs?

Very strange absence.

The only ones I can find are grad students.

Steve, perhaps you recently switched medications. As for me on Steve Baker, please remember of you misspell my name--it's Hell with an S in front.

I hate all pharmaceutical companies, so no, I did not switch "meds".

"remember of you mispell my name" ?

shel or shell? game?

Ah, thank noodles of Jacques Derrida.

I don know but why i don find such informative and profitable blogs so often,I suspect blogging world is becoming so small that we cant find such lucrative blogs like this one.

i must say i am Glad to hear that you are feeling a bit better. I see that the pirate theme is back!
While I was in Disney World, I got a chance to ride the new revamped Pirates of the Carribean (sp?). It was really cool how they worked Captain Jack Sparrow into the ride. They even had a guy dressed up as him outside the ride giving tips on how to be a pirate. The kids seem to love that character!
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I suspect that's thereason general public want to read blog....Internet visitors generally create blogs to declare themselves or their secret views. Blog grant them same matter on the monitor screen what they specifically needed,so as the above stuffs declared it.

nice blogging on non english speaking. that's true in these days french and german have too many blogs such as in wine category.

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